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occurred on the affordable healthcare act in congress when i was a member of congress bill rolled out and voted on and you saw all the republicans voted against it we believe now and we believed then it's unworkable and unaffordable. that he was why you see so many time delays on the legislation right now. i don't know if you met with secretary sebelius. why do you think. >> i did. >> okay. so why suddenly the -- you know, it's a crack calling you playing politics, southern governors, what provoked that do you think? >> you know, i'm not really sure. did i see secretary sebelius. and i know she has got a really hard job and i have talked to her many, many times as the chair of the national governor's association. each governor has it to do what they think is best for their own state. we all have unique circumstances. we all have our own political philosophy. and i choose, as governor of oklahoma, and as a republican conservative governor to do one thing. others choose to do other things. but, you know, i think you have to put the blame back to where it belongs. and that is who is it t
down. >> president obama promised you that the affordable care act would cut healthcare costs. we now know, that's not true. the most recent cbo estimate is that obamacare will cost more than 2 trillion over the next decade. a new report by senator tom coburn shows it will be even more than that way more. maybe even 31,000% more. how does he know? senator coburn joins us. nice to see you, sir. >> good to see you hard to understand. >> that's the history how good we are at estimating costs. you just take what the cbo said this year versus what they said when the bill was passed. we are now twice as much as what they said. >> you go back to 1966? >> no. i'm talking just about the affordable care act. a trillion dollars. >> that's 31,000%? >> no. well, that's a doubling of what they thought it was going to cost over the life of the program. the point is we are not any good at estimating costs and that's the study that we just put out that's up on our web site. it's showing here is what we said weather he we started the program and here is what it costs today's. in cases of medicaid 31,00
of the affordable care act. they will ever have to go bankrupt because of a health-care bill. if you look at the record, it used to be the case that the reason most people in america filed for personal bankruptcy, health-care bills. he center dot or to the hospital and you could not pay the final bill -- you send your. at the hospital and you cannot pay the final bill and he went bankrupt co. in terms of what might happen if the republicans try to repeal the affordable care act, if you are on minimum wage, it is even tougher, because the only reason today that some of these minimum wage workers will have access to health care is because of the affordable care act. they will be able to afford -- they will have to pay something but not that much, because you and i as taxpayers are helping them through tax credits. that is why already today 13 million, closed up 14 and nine -- close to 14 million americans have health security. host: the publicans think they have the edge over the issue of health care. -- the publicans think they have the edge over the show health care. "the new york times"
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